Thanks guys. Can't go wrong with big hard ball and I have always read good things about Gold Dot. My thing is I'm old and have gotten very recoil sensitive. A 38 with WC's or a 380 semi auto are my pick now a days. A Glock 42, 380 I can handle, a Glock 43 9mm is pushing it. A 38 snubby in even standard velocity HP is pushing it. The same with 38 WC, I can handle. Just that heavier recoil cuts down considerably on range time. And even these get very touchy after several rounds. Always better to mostly hit where you aim. Thus, I prefer to carry what I can shoot reasonably well. Anyway, just wanted some possible input on WC for self defense.